Fri 25 Sep 2009
As some of you know, I’ve been researching the history of poetry in Los Angeles for the past two months or so. I haven’t done much more than take out a bunch of poetry books and anthologies from the library and do some web research, but in fact there isn’t much critical writing about the “history” of L.A. Poetry available. I did find a very useful dissertation by the poet and anthologist Bill Mohr which covers a large portion of this story, but it’s quite rough at the moment (I don’t know if he’ll publish it as a book, but it needs revision).
One book, Venice West, by John Arthur Maynard, was very useful for the Beat Era. And in general, my project was inspired by a wonderful art book called Catalogue L.A.: The Making of an Art Capital 1955-1985, which is a documentary chronology of the birth of the visual art culture out here.
I was hoping to publish capsule biographies of these poets with this initial post, but I think that’s going to take longer than I thought. Some of these poets, like Thomas McGrath, are better known for their work elsewhere, but McGrath was important for his time as organizer, editor, and general cultural force for the ten years he lived in Los Angeles. Like many poets in L.A. at the time, he was called to testify before HUAC and lost his job as a result.
Nora May French (the link is to a website that has several bios and all of her poems) will be a new name to most of you. She moved here at the age of seven, in 1888, when the population was roughly 50,000 people. As if in anticipation of the transformations the city would undergo when the movie industry took over, French was very beautiful and a little imbalanced, finally killing herself by ingesting cyanide (after, I think, trying to kill an ex-lover of hers).
Indeed, many poets in Los Angeles died prematurely (especially among the group who hung around Wallace Berman in Venice, as documented in the beautiful book Semina Culture: Wallace Berman & His Circle), due to heroin, alchohol abuse, suicide and freak accidents. Our most widely-read poet was, of course, a raging alcoholic.
Probably the most famous death of a poet in Los Angeles was that of Bob Flanagan, who suffered from cystic fibrosis, and who documented his long decline (he did, in fact, live much longer than his doctors had predicted) in his book The Pain Journal and in the film SICK: The Life & Death of Bob Flanagan, Supermasochist. It doesn’t appear that he wrote (or at least published) all that many poems, but I’m still looking into this. I’ve found a few chapbooks and anthology appearances. My favorite writing by him is the great collaboration he did with David Trinidad called A Taste of Honey.
Another figure who is not often considered a “poet” but whose work clearly skids over in that direction is the artist Guy de Cointet (born in France). A recent issue of Artforum contained a large tribute to him by artists such as Paul McCarthy and Mike Kelley, much of which can be read online. Most of his writing was of plays or performances (he might be the most representative figure of experimental theater out here, for all I know), but many of his art books are clearly some form of cryptographic poetry. Here are some of the hand-drawn ones in a seemingly Lettrist tradition; most of what I’ve seen in the library has been typeset. (He kind of reminds me of Gaudier-Brzeska in this photograph.)
This list is primarily geared toward “experimental” poets, but of course, such a category is fluid, and I somehow find poets like Nora May French “experimental” to the degree that no one was probably writing poetry in Los Angeles at the time (and she was so weird). As the list moves toward more contemporary figures, it is spotty, as I’m really concerned with poets of the past. But I’m posting this specifically to get some feedback, especially concerning names that I’ve overlooked and possible places I could go to find information about some of the more elusive ones (such as de Cointet, whose books are incredibly expensive and have never been reprinted).
I have yet to go through back issues of Coastlines, Invisible City, etc., but that is next on my agenda. I haven’t gotten my hands on a few anthologies yet, such as Specimen 73, edited by Paul Vangelisti.
Tacked on to the end of this list is a group of writers and artists who I somehow want to claim as Los Angeles poets, either because they lived here for several years (such as Brecht, who can be seen as a sort of analogue for Duchamp in New York, though Brecht really didn’t like it out here for the most part), use a lot of text in their work (such as Ruscha, Pettibon and Ruppersberg, the latter of whom could almost be called a “conceptual writer,” which is useful since much poetry out here now is “conceptual” in nature), or have collaborated with poets and published their own poems, such as Simone Forti, the legendary choreographer.
David Antin, of course, doesn’t live in Los Angeles, but his wife is often considered part of the continuum of the arts up here (at least in Catalogue L.A.), and I can’t help but think his turn toward conceptual performance was influenced by the L.A. art scene. William Poundstone, a digital artist and writer, is kind of the unifiying figure of all the diverse genres represented here, as his work is as influenced by artists like Ruscha as it is by the Oulipo and concrete poetry (as he states in this interview I did with him several years ago).
(Of course, I’d like to claim Morrissey for this list, but that’s really stretching it. But if any of you know of any other Latin American poets who wrote in Los Angeles, let me know!)
Poets
Nora May French (1881-1907)
James Boyer May (1904-1981)
Edwin Rolfe (1909-1954)
Thomas McGrath (1916-1990)
Josephine Ain (1916-2004)
Charles Bukowski (1920-1994)
Henri Coulette (1927-1988)
Bert Meyers (1928-1979)
Robert Crosson (1929-2001)
Stuart Perkoff (1930-1973)
John Thomas (1930-2002)
Jack Hirschman (1933-)
Lewis MacAdams
Leland Hickman (1934-1991)
Guy de Cointet (1934-1983)
Aram Saroyan (1943-)
Paul Vangelisti (1945-)
Wanda Coleman (1946-)
William Poundstone
Will Alexander (1948-)
Douglas Messerli (1946-)
Calvin Bedient
Michelle T. Clinton
Dennis Philips (1951-)
Bob Flanagan (1952-)
Dennis Cooper (1953-)
David Trinidad (1953-)
Harryette Mullen (1953-)
Diane Ward (1956-)
Amy Gerstler (1956-)
Sesshu Foster (1957-)
Figures on the Periphery
Sadakichi Hartmann (1867-1944)
Robinson Jeffers (1887-1962)
Bertolt Brecht (1898-1956)
George Open (1908-1984)
Gil Orlovitz (1918-1973)
David Antin (1932-)
Simone Forti (1935-)
Ed Ruscha (1937-)
Allen Ruppersberg (1944-)
Raymond Pettibon (1957-)
September 26th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
For sure I think one can add Morrissey to the list of great Los Angeles poets.
Ciao,
Tosh
September 29th, 2009 at 8:46 am
I was surprised to find that I was left out of your list. I lived in LA from 1970 to 1986, and published 12 collections of poems and translations while living there. I also started Sulfur magazine in LA in 1981, and directed a combined poetry course with readings by visiting poets at UCLA in 1983.
–Clayton Eshleman
September 29th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Jim Krusoe
September 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
It seems your list is very lacking. I’ve read a bit of Bill Mohr’s dissertation (and I believe we’ll be seeing something(s) more exciting from him in the very near future)and it seems you’ve left a few people from the list. Holly Prado, whose “Feasts” is one of the great poetic accomplishments, not only in Los Angeles poetics, but poetics across the board, Stephen Yenser whose “Blue Guide” is what I consider the best book of poems in the decade (out of personal bias, perhaps, because Yenser was a mentor and remains a
friend) and yes, Clayton Eshleman, who spent a greater amount of time and energy in Los Angeles than some of the people on your list. L.A. is a transitory place, and many more people can be considered as Angelenos than your list allows. But I suppose that is the magic of the last frontier.
Oh yeah, what about FLARF?
September 29th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Hmmm, Flarf?
Yes, I know the list is missing names. I’m working on adding those. As I said the in the post, it gets sketchy as I move toward the present time. I was really interested initially in poets I simply had never heard of (like John Thomas and James Boyer May) and poets I just haven’t thought about much (like Stuart Perkoff).
I’m going to post a new short group of names soon. But even so, it will be a “critical” list — I don’t plan on writing about every poet that ever worked here! And I’m very interested in finding some bridge between the poets and text artists if there is any.
Missing Eshleman was a mistake due my concentrating on poets I hadn’t heard of and who are lesser known. I tried to find his exact years in LA online, and hadn’t yet when I wrote the post (a bio note on his personal site makes it clear, as does, of course, his comment above. I’ve known his work for a long time, but I’ve gotten to associate him with Ypsilanti (probably because of a trip I took out there once myself years ago for a reading) and my old teacher and friend Robert Kelly, who of course is at Bard.
Thanks, everyone, for your comments so far!
September 29th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
As I mentioned to a friend on Facebook, I know Yenser’s work (he’s my colleague here at UCLA) but I had a hard time thinking of him as “experimental” (but then again, neither is Henri Coulette). And I’m quite sure he doesn’t think of himself as a “Los Angeles Poet” — he’s said as much. But I should put him on there anyway, as I believe I should Ann Stanford.
September 29th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Clayton Eshleman, absolutely. Jed Rasula spent years in LA around the same, as did Nate Mackey in the late ’70s. (Here we’re getting into questions of how long one has to be in LA to “count” as an LA poet.) Charles Gullans: aggressively non-experimental (LA’s answer to Turner Cassity), but very engaged with the city. Robert Peters. Eloise Klein Healy, Kate Braverman, Jack Skelley, Laurel Ann Bogen. F. A. Nettelbeck, on-and-off resident and author of the memorable *Bug Death*. Michael C. Ford, Ron Koertge. But you’re right, Brian, that Bill Mohr probably knows more about this than anyone, and a revised version of the dissertation you describe, now called *Backlit: Los Angeles and the West Coast Poetry Renaissance*, is happily forthcoming in the U of Iowa Press’ Contemporary North American Poetry Series.
Alan
September 30th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
ellyn maybe
s.a.griffin
william pillin
harry northup
at times even me(chuckle)
christian elder
carlye archibecque
rick lupert
brendan constantine
erica erdman
john harris
rafael alvarado
steve abee
steve goldman
the late philomene long
doug knott
lynn manning
lynne bronstein
dave alvin
dennis cruz
etc etc etc
November 4th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Thanks for beginning to compile this list of Los Angeles poets. As a recent transplant from New York City — and a fledgling poet myself — I’ll use this group as a starting point as I begin to acquaint myself with the literary history of the area. Thank you.
November 9th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
I am a LA poet that date back to Wanda Coleman and Michelle T. McClinton in Invocation L.A. Urban Multicultural Poetry (www.Amazon.com. Last year I published my first book of poetry, Water Colored Soul (www.authorhouse.com). I date back to the Watts Writers in the ’60s with Quincy Troope and Tommy Scott Young. Dennis W. deLoach, a well known poetry of LA published many of my poems in his own publication of Soul Word. I was a member of Marian C. Wellman’s Saturday Morning Literary Workshop. She organized a group of Frontier Poets in LA (1988).
December 19th, 2009 at 11:43 am
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December 26th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
I’m surprised Martha Ronk isn’t on this list. While her mature collections didn’t arrive until the 90s, she was publishing in mags like Temblor, Sulfur, Boxcar, Bachy, etc earlier…the full LA contingent. I would place her alongside Vangelisti, Phillips, Ward, and Messerli in the nucleus of the ‘experimental’ group in LA in the 80s and 90s.
I don’t buy Yenser for the sort of list you’re building either, maybe Prado’s earlier work, though I don’t care much for it. I think Alan has a lot of good suggestions, particularly Rasula, who somehow (like Vangelisti) captures many of the tendencies of LA experimental poets for me: collagist, archivist, alt-historian, intersections with other media. If you haven’t read Rasula’s back story in 70s/80s LA, this Tony Tost interview is a good place to start: http://www.fascicle.com/issue02/imagininglanguage/rasula1.htm
I agree that Ron Koertge is interesting at times — sort of a SoCal James Tate. You’ve probably seen this classic pic of him rocking a Santa Anita tee with Bukowski and Gerald Locklin in the mid-70s: http://www.hollywoodinvestigator.com/2003/Bukowski2.jpg
For many reasons, I consider Barbara Guest an LA poet, probably because in the years I corresponded with her, the one thing she always wanted to talk about was LA. She went to Beverly Hills High School (so did Gustaf Sobin, btw) and UCLA, discovered poetry and art here, and lived here through her mid-20s. LA is everywhere in her work, beyond just the Confetti Trees, if you look.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
I await Bill Mohr’s book with anticipation –as Los Angeles has trailed San Francisco for many years in the reception and promotion of its poets.
What is striking about the names mentioned above is how few of them have any presence outside Los Angeles — in the anthologies, the major magazines, etc. Arguably, only Yenser and Gerstler have national reputations.
Dropping the “experimental” bent of the list, other names might come to mind — like Timothy Steele.